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Created 11th February 2014 @ 17:56

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Pinks

Quoted from Tomu

I’ve heard that heavies are quite easy to shoot from afar with a sniper rifle. Probably just a rumour.

Can confirm.

Hildreth

Bully
Pander

UGC are particularly bad at the sandbagging sitaution and dealing with it. It wasn’t until Season 8 they lifted all of their restrictions on invite limits and such in PLATINUM their highest level of competition because they believed it was making the league “unfair” so rather than encouraging people to “raise their game and deal with better players” they said to them “oh some people are better than you? It’s okay we’ll ban them from getting together in a team”. After Season 8 the skill level of UGC dramatically shot up and it gave a chance for the lower skilled players from Highlander to actually better themselves and improve.

By playing versus better players you get the unique opportunity to learn from them, so why waste it and ban someone when you can aspire to be better? Wrong attitude.

Flood

Quoted from frixx

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flood u are right I agree with you, but u simply cannot compare medic to a demoman. Medic depends too much on other classes/players performance(checking sticky traps,protection, flank coverage etc.) that u can’t compare it with an assault class such as demoman. I tought you as a medic would understand the difference

Yeah obviously, but the main point I was putting across is that there was no need for you to chip in with something that just made it worse. Imo just leave it as it is between the steel players
This whole thread seems to have just been started unnecessarily thinking people should care enough. Just leave it to the people this has an effect on.

frixx

LG

Quoted from Flood

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Yeah obviously, but the main point I was putting across is that there was no need for you to chip in with something that just made it worse. Imo just leave it as it is between the steel players
This whole thread seems to have just been started unnecessarily thinking people should care enough. Just leave it to the people this has an effect on.

Ye, I understand. My bad, sorry for that

gl HL

Flood

Quoted from frixx

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Ye, I understand. My bad, sorry for that

gl HL

Safe, hopefully I’ll medic against you at some point again

quell

UbeR |

Quoted from frixx

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Ya you are right im out anyway,

gl HL

such child

Steel is generally no names and old names teaching no names. It has always been this way so why are people suddenly so miffed.

probably cause joe isnt shit unlike most people who “teach” steel teams :P


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Tomu

BoyBrigade
MEGA$$

Quoted from quell

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such child

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probably cause joe isnt shit unlike most people who “teach” steel teams :P

rude :(

sno

UbeR |
itsallgood

ban mightyme pls

Max

Fusion

Quoted from sno

ban mightyme pls

^

Bloodyyy

(Weeaboo Nerd)
(XD ͜ʖXD)

#freejoe

Hot

Quoted from Doktor

Disclaimer: This post of substantial length is not to be understood as hate towards Joe, but rather as a in depth discussion of sandbagging. I will only illustrate my claim on the case of JoeNufc.

First of all, let me start of by saying that all the hate and disrespect towards UGC(-steel)and HL gets is really not necessary. I understand that UGC steel is of absolutely negligible importance to some of you, but then just stay out of of this thread completely. Just makes you look like a hippocrite saying something is not worth caring about, yet spending time making a completely pointless reply that helps the ‘problem’ even less than the petition probably will.

– Please do not list me other players sandbagging as an excuse, that is of
absolutely no importance regarding this discussion.

– I do not play in UGC steel so I am obviously not butthurt about OiaV potentially wrecking my team.

– Please don’t call me out on being a whiny bitch, because that seems the way some people on these forums like to go on about arguments. I will not bother replying to comments being of an offending nature.

I see a lot of people saying that the creator of this petition is just scared of playing against better players, and potentially losing their official. As much as I cannot deny this as potentially being true, think about the difference in terms of skill for this case. Joe was in the ETF2L premier division finals last HL season, which suggests that he is an incredibly skilled highlander player, especially seeing as his performance was – from what I’ve seen – not below the average of the team he played for, itsallgood. He has nearly 2 years of competitive TF2 experience, including highlander and 6s.

Compare this to the average steel player. I do not have proper statistics, but from what I have seen in steel, most of the (new) players barely have half a year of competitive TF2 experience, potentially having less TF2 playtime than Joe on his most played class alone. I cannot verify my last claim there, as Joe’s profile is private, but please correct me if I’m wrong.

Now obviously people will come along and say that Joe is not playing his last season main class, demoman. How exactly does this matter though? I’ve seen multiple high level comp players changing class mid season (also in 6s) and not being a major downgrade. I would assume Joe’s deathmatching is better on demoman than on heavy, but gamesense is among the most important things in competitive TF2. Aside that, especially the development of efficient coms is what helps team advance, and I am sure that as a former premier division player Joe does know both gamesense (seeing as heavy is also a combo class like his former main) as well as efficient coms. Especially on a class like heavy gamesense is absolutely crucial in winning encounters, staying alive and therefore giving your team a general advantage that is nearly impossible to new teams to overcome.

Naturally there is always a skill gap in between two players, but take a look at the recent logs of Joe playing with OiaV, and tell me if you feel that gap is fair in this case. I personally do not. As much as playing against better players is part of improving, with such a high skill gap this only causes frustration and disliking towards the sandbagging player. The point of a division is exactly to prevent skill gaps from being to big. At least this is what the common understanding is, but if the representatives of UGC staff or the community disagrees please tell me.

And exactly this skill gap of sandbagging players leads to a lack of trust towards the competitive league that is UGC. Newcomers will get frustrated over the fact that such an incredibly experienced player is playing in a division made for low-end skill highlander players. New steel players trust UGC that they will play against somewhat evenly skilled teams and players, and that the league admins will not just allow some of the best and most experienced HL players in europe to play in the 2nd lowest division.

Most of you should agree that we as a community should give new competitive players a fair, enjoyable experience. TF2 is a fairly unpopular ‘Esport’ as it is, and sandbagging is making it even worse.

Playing up to ~5 divisons below your skill/gamesense level is not going to do any good aside than maybe entertaining the sandbagger on the cost of many others.

In short, excessive sandbagging is hurting our already small competitive community and being a dick about it (like most of the posters in this thread) is only making it worse. If you care about TF2s success as a competitive game, you should not support this behaviour and play in divisions fitting to your skill level and experience.

This is why I understand the person who made the petition, wether he may just be upset or actually have reasonable claims. This type of sandbagging should not be allowed. Lobbies or pubs are here if you want to wreck newcomers, an official league should not be used to do so.

– Doktor

I won’t reply to any responses lacking valid points or being hateful~

i’m way too lazy to read this, can someone give me a short summary of this pls

quintosh

wL.

i really love this game

Cuttlefish

6v6

Quoted from Hot

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i’m way too lazy to read this, can someone give me a short summary of this pls

sandbagging is bad, joe is one-man army

Tomu

BoyBrigade
MEGA$$

Quoted from Hot

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i’m way too lazy to read this, can someone give me a short summary of this pls

qq

lewis]

GayD

nah its cause joe hooked us up with razer
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs40/i/2009/044/3/f/Razer___Unfair_Advantage_by_mixera.jpg

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