I really think you need to re-evaluate your perspective towards the Internet, it sounds unhealthy to even BEGIN and compare it to a healthy, normal functioning society since that has not been true since 1989, when the only people having access to the \'net was academics. I think I share the view with most others that people are acting VERY differently behind their screens compared to how they would act \"IRL\", hence normal, sound, philosophies of structure do not apply. This is ESPECIALLY true within communities like this. It actually DOES work in other projects I\'m involved in (say, large open-source projects). But not here.

I\'m not really sure what message you\'re trying to convey here. Are you trying to tell me ETF2L should yield to the flamers or that I personally should not engage them in the harsh manner I do? You also claim you see me \"waste peoples time\". My admin-work consists of answering requests from people on IRC, writing on these forums, doing code/linux-related work and discussing issues with other admins. Anything I post is free to ignore and not read, and the rest of the work is nothing you ever see (unless you need help). Go figure. I\'m not trying to belittle your views, I\'m just very confused as to what end they serve.

In the end, ETF2L have lost (and are losing) people who we can\'t replace due to there not being competent enough people to replace them with (or people who ARE competent enough, would never want to join this project due to all they see are the endless amount of flames). This is a huge problem and the reason I suggested the harsh methods mentioned above, clan-ban for every player in a clan who host a flamer. It\'s better to lose 80 players in a mass flame-ban than 1 irreplaceable ETF2L-admin who knows the ins and outs of over millions lines of code. That way, the rest of the 5000 or so registered and active TF2 players on this site could go on playing the game they chose to spend their spare-time on with their friends, in peace, and the ETF2L-project could continue to thrive instead of having to deal with all this bullshit.

ETF2L is about having fun with your friends once or twice a week, not skill or anything else. Don\'t _EVER_ make the mistake to think ETF2L thinks it needs \"skilled\" players, it thrives on people having a \"good game\". Nothing else.

All this time thrown down the drain for no apparent reason, is time that could be better spent, say, making ladders, improving the league and helping people. Reading on #etf2l, it seems former \"FU GRYZOR!\" people are even starting to notice this tiresome trend and realising it\'s actually not that cool to copy the idiot-people anymore, hence asking for advice on how the hell they can counter it (or, we, rather).

* We could bring out the BIG banhammer, meaning any more flames what so ever, will get your entire clan banned from ETF2L -- permanently. Perhaps the last one is a bit drastic, but why the hell not. All this flaming is destroying the league, making people want to quit because they do not feel their work is fun anymore and what not. This will only hurt _EVERYBODY_ in the end. You\'d be stuck with.. me.. alone. Nobody would like that.

So for the sake for everybody, quit it -- because if I \"quit\", it will be because everybody else feels this project is no longer worthwhile, and when that day comes -- we\'re all losers. Flamers: Think about it, and then have a big cup of STFU. The rest: Most of us admins are really cool guys with nice attitudes and helpful manners - it\'s unfortunate that most of the time you have dealings with us, it\'s because something is WRONG.