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here’s a list of potential changes for the next version – looking for feedback on what you think is good/bad etc

some boxes will be added next to this small piece of wall, I don’t think it’ll add anything extreme to the map in terms of pushing etc but it gives more options in general
http://i.imgur.com/vWpzLyN.jpg

the incline here will be a little less steep – once again, don’t think it will add too much necessarily
http://i.imgur.com/7OAMIAm.png

small doorway added here to make defending third a little less scary when building in this location. Hopefully it’ll allow engies/combos who hold here to fall out a little more easily
http://i.imgur.com/ujKzyYo.png

the height of this doorway will be increased, but not far enough to allow the defending demoman any more options. it’ll probably be up to the beam. the stairs will also be widened
http://i.imgur.com/bgKUumj.png
http://i.imgur.com/tXg5l8j.jpg

the ‘no entry’ doorway here that usually opens up after 2nd is capped will be removed entirely, meaning defenders dropping down from their spawn to head over to defend 2nd won’t have to run through potential sniper sightlines to do so
http://i.imgur.com/nuM9sQ5.jpg?1

moved the blu forwardspawn into the red defending spawn, shaving a few seconds off of walking over to last – if required the respawnwavetimes may be changed, we’ll see

adding something to make it easier for scouts to jump into the window at lockerroom

fixed a bug where you could build a teleport inside one of the arrow signs that pops up after a cap and get people stuck

fixed the bug with the bottom-spawn door at last being openable by attackers

fixed the draw distance of some objects so that they’re visible regardless of how far away from them you are

removed some more cluttery props (unsure which ones atm, but no crucial ones I guess)

Stop trying to change the meta of the map completely. It’s fine now, don’t make it worse

Quoted from Flood

agreed, no more change pls

most people I’ve recieved feedback from have said that last is still not fun at all, so we’ll still be going ahead with these changes (but will put them on a test map and play mixes on them before actually committing them to a next public version

if people agree with you that these changes are shitty then we’ll not add em

Quoted from lawn

most people I’ve recieved feedback from have said that last is still not fun at all, so we’ll still be going ahead with these changes (but will put them on a test map and play mixes on them before actually committing them to a next public version

if people agree with you that these changes are shitty then we’ll not add em

The last point is not worse than any other payload map at this point… People like to whine

Quoted from Reservoir Dog

Thank you for making this map even better. :)

I don’t think any of these changes are game breaking, but they might be game changing. The only thing I am bothered with is the removal on “no pasaran” doors. If you remove them, you are basically removing a very good Sniper position. This might affect gameplay in a negative way, although I can understand the reason for door removal.

All in all, keep up the good work. ;)

tbh i dont think third point can be affected in a negative way by removing those sniper sightlines.

Quoted from quell

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tbh i dont think third point can be affected in a negative way by removing those sniper sightlines.

Maybe not for defense, but surely it does for offense? I am not sure, I don’t play Sniper, so maybe someone who does should give some input about that.

Quoted from Lazybear

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Thank god. Bulow got killed in our official because of this bug.

Quoted from Bulow

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There was also this bug where the enemy team could kill me from far away by looking at me??? Or being close and looking at me??

And it’s for sniper lines at second, Quell.

HAHAHA 8)